Labcoatguy
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Turbo boost makes me go . My God those turbo Saabs have a savage kick when you put your foot down!
Turbo boost makes me go . My God those turbo Saabs have a savage kick when you put your foot down!
Or, in other words, if your car has DRLs in the US, you are burning fuel, consuming bulb life, and emitting light pollution for no statistical improvement in safety at best - i.e., no good reason. The only vehicles that benefit from mounting and running DRLs are trucks, vans and (unmentioned by the WP excerpt) motorcycles. Motorcycles see a 23% reduction in head-on crashes when they're running DRLs, by the same study.
I agree. The only reason for leaving the rear lights off is, like I already said, to make braking lights pop-up more on the Autobahn. Since we (Finland + Scandinavia </narf> ) don't have free speeds there is no reason leaving the rear lights off.
Spectre: You do realize modern LED DRLs energy consumption is close to zero? It's true that traditional halogen lamps (2x 50W in front) consume quite a lot of energy and if I remember correctly 100W electrical consumption is about 0,1l/100km increased fuel consumption. But how much do those modern DRL LEDs use?
Except in these latitudes, it can make the car invisible. Remember that the supermajority of the continental US is below the latitude (I.E., south) of Madrid, Spain.
Then you'd want fog lights, not high-beam based DRLs (the most common type) bouncing quite a lot of light output back into your face.
Do we honestly need automatic headlights?
Don't you guys have third brake lights?
You wouldn't use 2x55W halogen as DRLs though, for example my halogen DRLs are 2x21W I believe.
Concerning fuel, you should get roughly 1-2kWh of electricity out of a litre of petrol. Using my DRLs as an example that's enough to run them for 48 to 96 hours. At an average speed of 40km/h (based on figures from my on board computer for the last few fillups of commuting) you're looking at an additional litre of fuel every 1920 to 3840 kilometres, that'd be 0.025 to 0.05l/100km or an additional 0.18 to 0.36%.
Based on 2x5W for LED DRLs you'd have to divide these figures by four, for more highway driving the figures would go down as well.
Third brake light doesn't really help in situations where unlit rear lights help you to notice somebody is braking, because in those situations the cars are really far away and you can't really count the number of lights per car. I mean situations in Germany when you're driving pretty quickly and then all of a sudden the traffic in front of you turns to Stau. When the horizon front of you turns from boring shades of grey (you really do have a wild imagination for car colors in Germany! ) to bright red you do get the message to slow down pretty quickly. I'm not sure if average driver would react any slower if the cars had not-so-bright red rear lights on all the time, but at least now it is easy to spot if somebody is braking. But like I said, I don't feel that advantage anywhere outside unrestricted Autobahns.
Concerning fuel, most of Finnish cars are old and lack modern DRLs. So we do burn the two 55W driving lights all the time in addition to couple of 5W bulps in the back. That might have some impact in fuel economy, but at least for me the increased safety outweights the increased fuel consumption. Anyway 120-130W increase is pretty minimal compared to AC systems for example.
But I hope you press the brake pedal before reaching the hazard indicator? Seeing red lights prepares you to act.
Every time people brake unnecessarily I see red.
Mine has the same, switchable with a short press of the reset button (it actually cycles between 1, 2 and screen off), but my dad's A6 has all the info in one "layer" and just the number changes. Of course not all the information makes sense to be duplicated, so only the average consumption and 2 other stats are there (with a number 2).
Mine has the same, switchable with a short press of the reset button (it actually cycles between 1, 2 and screen off), but my dad's A6 has all the info in one "layer" and just the number changes. Of course not all the information makes sense to be duplicated, so only the average consumption and 2 other stats are there (with a number 2).
FULL DISCLOSURE: My sister crashed my car. It may or may not have to get written off.
Oh, turns on red are legal in America. Weird, I know.