Random Thoughts (Political Edition)

I have no problem voting for someone with a big fat D next to their name. But to identify with a party that as a function of its platform supports greater spending against a party whom as a function of their platform supports reduced spending seems counter intuitive. I don't think my thoughts there were well translated by my typing.

It would be like someone with an R next to their name saying "I support gay rights, abortions, single payer health care, and an expanded federal pay roll focusing in social security and welfare administration" - you'd ask "are you sure you're a Republican?" That was more the focus of the statement, not some inner turmoil about casting a ballot just because of his selected party affiliation. Inflection should have been more about does he understand his party platform or public perception of his party platform.

Now it's clearer, but then, why are you still clinging to the Democrat-Republican division like it was something genetical? Why is impossible to have a Republican supporting abortion, for example? Does being Republican require anti-abortion views? What does being Republican mean then? I think it is more correct to say you have almost 300 million parties in the US; trying to reduce everything, even the details, to only two is a bit of a hopeless task. Parties should give you some general lines, some common views and ideals, not detailed regluations for something so specific as cut spending/raise spending. How could people think on their own otherwise?




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I have no problem voting for someone with a big fat D next to their name. But to identify with a party that as a function of its platform supports greater spending against a party whom as a function of their platform supports reduced spending seems counter intuitive. I don't think my thoughts there were well translated by my typing.


If that makes any damn sense.

But the Reps don't really support reduced spending. I mean they say they do but then when you look at the numbers they obviously don't. The Reps want to spend just as much more then the Dems they just want to spend it on different things. Butter vs. Guns if you want to use the analogy.

If Reps really supported reduced spending then over the past 30 years they would have reduced spending. They had control of Presidency for 20 of those last 30 years and control of congress for 10 or 12 years. The dems never had a veto proof majority during the time they controlled Congress either so Regan or either Bush could have vetoed any bill with increased spending.

Sure you might get the occasional Republican who is for across the board cuts in spending and will include Defense spending in that but that is pretty rare.

Barney Frank and Ron Paul: Cut Military Spending
 
I was wondering when someone was going to bring that up. I think it's one of the only things I agree with Ron Paul on.

Exactly and if those two can find common ground to work together then anyone should be able to and if you can't then you get voted out. Instead of an ideolgical purity test like the reps and tea party wants there should be a cooperation test. If your congressional rep or senator can't find some other member from the other side of the aisle to work with on something besides rasing congressoinal pay then you should vote them out.
 
If your congressional rep or senator can't find some other member from the other side of the aisle to work with on something besides rasing congressoinal pay then you should vote them out.
That's the polar opposite of politics this year, it seems. If you work with anyone else, you're seen as a "Washington insider".

Bob Inglis is a prime example of this. Despite a 93.5% lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union and an A+ rating from the NRA, he was still labeled as a "Washington insider" for generally going "across the aisle" and involving himself in things like Joe Wilson's reprimand for his "you lie!" outburst and telling people to turn off Glenn Beck (specifically) and think for themselves...

... and lost the SC Republican primary to a tea party candidate.
 
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Now the german lobbyist "employer organisation" (arbeitgeberverband) head-person has now given an interview in wich he states that "of course" discrimination of such sorts would be bad and that the members of his organisiation are keen on fighting such discrimination ... but, the project the goverment is doing is bad, because (if this would perhaps become law) this would mean that there would be much more efford involved in filtering the the aplicants without name, gender or origin.
What he basically said there, is that the members of his organisation want to filter out people because of gender, age and origin ... and that if this became law, it would be much harder to do so ... wich leads to the conclusion that not only are they discriminating bastards ... but such a law would actually work and make discrimination of job-aplicants harder.

Lobbying-fail.
The really funny - in a facepalm sort of way - thing is that just about every news outlet quoted him and nobody in the news business picked that up while I immediately noticed it while listening to the radio on the Autobahn...
 
The really funny - in a facepalm sort of way - thing is that just about every news outlet quoted him and nobody in the news business picked that up while I immediately noticed it while listening to the radio on the Autobahn...
First I thought the same, but then as I heard the news outlets quoting him again and again, I thought they are trying to make this into a story, but somehow can?t at the moment because they are too buisy with other stories and are getting this only short airtime in the hope some other news-outlet picks it up ...

Who knows ...
 
What?s really interesting about this IMO is the question what?s been done with that money. Advertising, right? And where will these adverts be? In News Corp. media by any chance? So basically ... News Corp. is giving the Repulicans free airtime/free ad-spaces for 1 Million US-$ ...

How very "free market" of News Corp. giving someone they like something for free while having others pay for it :rolleyes: and let me guess ... donations come with some kind of tax-cut even if they end up in your own buisness again?
 
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Democrats obviously he knows what pays his bills. He wouldn't make nearly as much money of Republicans were in charge.
True. It's probably a lot harder to make up socialist-nazi-maoist conspiracy theories about Republicans.

How very "free market" of News Corp. giving someone they like something for free while having others pay for it :rolleyes: and let me guess ... donations come with some kind of tax-cut even if they end up in your own buisness again?
That's right. They can't give them free airtime (not without giving their opponents free airtime, at least) so they do the next best thing. And this way, they get a fat tax write-off. It's so crooked you almost have to admire it.

They just didn?t go the extra yard to put it into context.
They report, you decide? :p
 
Federal appeals court says highways' crosses are unconstitutional
By Bill Mears, CNN Senior Producer
August 18, 2010 5:42 p.m. EDT

Washington (CNN) -- Memorial crosses erected along Utah public roads to honor fallen state highway troopers have been found unconstitutional by a federal appeals court.

A three-judge panel of the 10th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals ruled Wednesday that the 14 large crosses would be viewed by most passing motorists as "government's endorsement of Christianity."

"We hold that these memorials have the impermissible effect of conveying to the reasonable observer the message that the state prefers or otherwise endorses a certain religion," concluded the Denver, Colorado-based court. The state of Utah and a private trooper association have the option of appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court.

A Texas-based group, American Atheists, successfully sued five years ago to have the nonprofit memorial project scrapped, and the crosses removed from public property.

At issue was whether the crosses violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution, by having the government endorsing the Christian symbols, even if indirectly.

Although the suit went against the memorial project, the crosses were allowed to remain pending appeals in the case. They are still in place.

The Utah Highway Patrol Association in 1998 began erecting the monuments, which contain the fallen trooper's name, rank, and badge number. A picture of the officer and some biographical information is included on a separate plaque placed where the two bars of the cross meet. The state insignia is also included, which the judges in particular raised with constitutional concerns.

The service group said their main message was not religious in nature, but among other things, to serve as "a lasting reminder to UHPA members and Utah highway patrol troopers that a fellow trooper gave his life in service to this state" and to "encourage safe conduct on the highways."

While placed on public land and with the state's permission, the crosses themselves are privately owned and maintained. The state expressly noted it "neither approves or disapproves of the memorial marker."

In rejecting the crosses, the appeals court made several arguments, such as the large size and location of the crosses -- on busy public highways where motorists cannot help but notice. Other similar memorial crosses have been erected on public land such as Arlington National Cemetery to honor fallen war dead. But the judges noted those markers are generally accessible or visible only to those who expressly choose to visit them, unlike roads where citizens cannot help but see them.

The Supreme Court has in recent years taken a case-by-case approach to Establishment Clause cases. The justices in 1947 said the government needed to be "neutral" but "not an adversary" toward religion. The court has upheld legislative chaplaincies, tax exemptions for churches, and the mention of "God" on U.S. currency and in oaths of office.

At the same time, government-sponsored school prayer is banned, and limits imposed on aid to parochial schools.

The court's record on religious displays on public land is more mixed, with "context" a key criteria. The justices last year decided on free-speech grounds a small religious group could not erect a granite monument in a Utah park next to an existing Ten Commandments display, which for the time being was allowed to stay.

And this past June, the conservative majority of the court concluded a cross designed as war memorial in lonely stretch of national parkland in the California desert did not violate the constitutional separation of church and state.

In 2005, a Ten Commandments monument on the Texas statehouse grounds was allowed to stand, since it was surrounded by historical markers. But the same day Ten Commandment parchments in two Kentucky county courthouses were ruled unconstitutional, with the high court majority calling them "a governmental effort substantially to promote religion, not simply an effort primarily to reflect, historically, the secular impact of a religiously inspired document."

And some nativity scenes and menorahs placed in public parks during December have been allowed to stand, while some were ordered removed.

The 10th Circuit rejected arguments from the UHPA that many roads contain crosses or other religious symbols placed by private individuals honoring a dead relative killed in car accidents.

"The mere fact that the cross is a common symbol used in roadside memorials does not mean it is a secular symbol," said the panel. "The massive size of the crosses displayed on Utah's rights-of-way and public property unmistakably conveys a message of endorsement, proselytization, and aggrandizement of religion that is far different from the more humble spirit of small roadside crosses."

The judges also disregarded suggestions that since most of the deceased troopers were Mormon, where the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does not uses the cross as a religious symbol, the highway memorials were merely symbols of death and did not promote a a particular faith.

There was no immediate reaction to the opinion from American Atheists or the UHPA.

The case is American Atheists v. Duncan (08-4061).

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/18/utah.highway.crosses/index.html?hpt=Sbin

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IMO, just allow the victim's family to choose the shape of the memorial (within reason) and take off any state emblem or other indication of state endorsement. Churches have big crosses on them :dunno:
 
Dear American Atheists (the group, as opposed to all Americans who are atheists) :

Invasive, preachy and unrelenting atheists are just as annoying as invasive, preachy and unrelenting religious people. Stop tarring yourself with your own brush.
 
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