Brabus has made a 435hp E-Class Wagon for Frankfurt. With a twist.

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And just for lulz the 800hp V12 Rocket:

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So, what is that?

Well, it is a 435hp all electric 4WD E-Class Wagon with ......... 3200Nm. 2.2 Tons, 0-100km/h 6,9s, Vmax 220km/h (that's 8 more than the Tesla) powered by 4 wheel hub motors, each one is 30kg, incl water cooling.

Now, the range issue.

Weeeeeeell, if you limit yourself to 270hp in the Eco mode and don't go over 190km/h.......350km. And if you use all power available, you got 240km. Made possible by 3456 batteries totalling 56 kW/h, which is 3 times the energy density you have in the electric Smart.

Bad news: You wouldn't be able to pay for this car as it is a one of prototype. But they are not completely against a tiny series if it becomes affordable.
 
I approve of the Amp and Newtonmetre dials.


The 3200Nm are incomparable with ICE cars because wheel hub motors probably have no transmission upping the torque at the expense of RPM.
For some perspective, a petrol-powered Skoda can pull 4879Nm at the wheels in first gear, 2991Nm in second.
Hell, my not-so-overpowered car can do 2937Nm at the wheels, less than 10% below this thing.


Also, it might be three times the energy than in the electric Smart, but probably not three times the energy density - the battery pack probably is larger than the pack in the Smart, no? Density would be energy divided by volume or weight :p



Almost forgot - serious want :woot:
 
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This intrigues me. I'd have one for parts hauling :D
 
narf said:
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Now, I've read that post of yours, digested it for a bit and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you like your Skodas and Skoda related factoids...amirite? :p
 
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SchumacherM said:
Now, I've read that post of yours, digested it for a bit and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you like your Skodas and Skoda related factoids...amirite? :p
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:hmm: I wonder how you might get to that conclusion...

It's not just fanboi-ism, Skoda providing lots of detailed information easily accessible (ie gear ratios for every model on their website) and using a "cheap" brand as a comparison plays a factor as well. If a Skoda can do those amounts of torque at the wheel, is that amount really sensational? No.

This is what they have to say about a TDI Superb:

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Excuse me but...

435 HP and a 0-100 km/h time of 6.9 seconds...? A Mercedes S500 also has 435 HP, weighs about the same and accelerates in 5.0 seconds from 0-100 km/h...

Is that Brabus acceleration number a printing error and are they referring to 0-100 mph or is it rather lame? I mean, an electric car should be accelerating faster, than a fuel-driven car, right?

Not really sexy, if it's not an error, I'm afraid. An E350 CDI would be considerably faster.

The new "Rocket", though, is a serious case of WANT.
 
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Not as svelt as the previous rocket though.

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MacGuffin said:
Excuse me but...

435 HP and a 0-100 km/h time of 6.9 seconds...? A Mercedes S500 also has 435 HP, weighs about the same and accelerates in 5.0 seconds from 0-100 km/h...

Is that Brabus acceleration number a printing error and are they referring to 0-100 mph or is it rather lame? I mean, an electric car should be accelerating faster, than a fuel-driven car, right?

Not really sexy, if it's not an error, I'm afraid. An E350 CDI would be considerably faster.

The new "Rocket", though, is a serious case of WANT.
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Also I'd wager a fairly hefty sum of cash, the E350 CDI would go a hell of a lot further in one go.

This car has some nice potential, but it isn't quite living up to it yet.
 
narf said:
The 3200Nm are incomparable with ICE cars because wheel hub motors probably have no transmission upping the torque at the expense of RPM.
For some perspective, a petrol-powered Skoda can pull 4879Nm at the wheels in first gear, 2991Nm in second.
Hell, my not-so-overpowered car can do 2937Nm at the wheels, less than 10% below this thing.
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VAG TDI only does torque, so of course it has a higher value than an electric car in which starting torque is it's weakest performance figure.

I might be able to tie my shoelaces faster than Usain Bolt, but somehow I think he's going to get to the end of the subsequent 100m faster.
 
narf said:
I approve of the Amp and Newtonmetre dials.


The 3200Nm are incomparable with ICE cars because wheel hub motors probably have no transmission upping the torque at the expense of RPM.
For some perspective, a petrol-powered Skoda can pull 4879Nm at the wheels in first gear, 2991Nm in second.
Hell, my not-so-overpowered car can do 2937Nm at the wheels, less than 10% below this thing.


Also, it might be three times the energy than in the electric Smart, but probably not three times the energy density - the battery pack probably is larger than the pack in the Smart, no? Density would be energy divided by volume or weight :p



Almost forgot - serious want :woot:
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The electric motors also means it has a flat power curve, meaning it is much better than an ICE.
 
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WillDAQ said:
VAG TDI only does torque, so of course it has a higher value than an electric car in which starting torque is it's weakest performance figure.
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I was talking about petrol cars, not TDIs. Actually, torque at the wheel is pretty much the same for a TDI as for these petrols...

Starting torque is one of the strong points of an electric motor.

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It wins at low rpm due to high low-end torque, loses out later.


Cold Fussion said:
The electric motors also means it has a flat power curve, meaning it is much better than an ICE.
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No, just no. A flat power curve can not work. It would require almost infinite torque at 1rpm, any realistic motor is destined for almost zero power at almost zero rpm. After all, power is torque multiplied by revolutions. No revolutions, no power :dunno:

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Starts at zero (obviously), peak power around 5000rpm, going downhill after that. Not flat at all.
 
Apply full current to a DC motor when it isn't turning, I dare you.

EDIT: When a DC motor isn't turning the resistance is near 1 ohm (or some small number). This will cause the current draw to be a very large number, this will cause massive voltage drop and most likely burn out the motors brushes or worse. This means that starting an electric car will not have full power available until the motor starts to move.
 
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D-Fence said:
I WILL NEGREP YOU INTO OBLIVION IF YOU MAKE ONE MORE SKODA POST IN THIS THREAD ABOUT THAT AWESOME CAR
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:(

I was just about to say I think it looks superb. Does that count?
 
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