Superchargers are for pussies! [Viper ACR does 7:22 @ 'Ring]

[Vambeer]

I personally think that the ACR is more of a street car (and a daily driver for that matter) than the Porsche GT3RS. i have the impression (it is not a fact, i have not driven any of those) that the ACR might be more comfortable

 

[Dr.Kamiya]

I personally think that the ACR is more of a street car (and a daily driver for that matter) than the Porsche GT3RS. i have the impression (it is not a fact, i have not driven any of those) that the ACR might be more comfortable

And you'd be wrong. I haven't ridden the ACR, but the regular viper is LESS streetable than a GT3.

 

[Sir Stiggington]

Yeah, I'm afraid this will be the same as the Z06, great on the track, awful on the road. Thing is, it shouldn't be. While you always know a Radical will be crap on the road. That's why I'd have the Radical.

 

[Interrobang]

[...]I wonder if Clarkson will mention it or if he will continue to ignorantly say "everything is done better by europeans"

Now that you guys are good at it, we just won?t care anymore

No, seriously ... you gotta love that Viper, no electronic nonsense to hate, big engine to love and it looks great too.

 

[Meio]

How could I forget "Donkervoort", indeed. Such an awe-inspiring name that exudes power, speed, and ferocity...wait.

You can pronounce it with a Dutch accent then?

If you don't have fun saying "Donkervoort", you're doing it rong.

If you have too much fun, people might think you were being racist.

Either way Meio I think the Donkervoort that set the ~7:14 was a heavily modified car. In the very least there was a very large spoiler on the car that set that time that's not present on the road car.

Yeah, looking for details of the D8 270 RS, they seem very different from the car that did the 7:14. There are other road cars built by Donkervoort which look very 'track' but not the same model as the car that held the 'ring 'record' not even just in name.

donkervoort sounds like a sex think

i flip her over and bam i gave her the old donkervoort

Maybe your name actually means "massive twat" in someone else's language.

I can't believe people are comparing a Radical to a Viper to...

Why not, they both claim the record for fastest lap of the N?rburgring Nordschleife circuit by a Street legal production car.

Can you girlfriend/wife/boyfriend get into the Radical while wearing a skirt?

Yes if the skirt was long and flowing enough. Irrelevant.

Then its not a normal street car.

Of course it isn't, it is abnormal or even extraordinary, that's the point.

Can he/she/it keep dry during the rain?

Not without wet weather clothing, probably not.

Then its not a normal street car.

No, that makes it a Spyder or Roadster.

Can...aw screw it if that doesn't prove a point nothing will.

Unless your point is that in some way these features have any relevance to the lap record (like the guy who suggested that the only record the ACR can lay claim to is the fastest lap by a car available in the US, with a roof), then I don't see your point.

... the Atom which is not a "real" street car. It has no trunk, can't be driven everyday (in the sense of OMG SNOW I CAN'T MOVE ANYMORE AND IM GOING TO FREEZE AS IT PLOWS THROUGH THE DRIVERS COMPARTMENT).

Yes it does, it has a boot in the same way as a scooter does. If I remember correctly, there is a cubby hole under the front fairing big enough for a couple of helmets.
It can be driven everyday in exactly the same way as a bike can be ridden everyday, that doesn't suddenly make it not a car, just as when putting a roof on a bike doesn't make it into not a 'real' bike. Just because, in your opinion, a car might be a bit uncomfortable to drive in some conditions, doesn't have any bearing on a lap record contested over by hardcore performance cars.

Too hardcore for you? Well that's just tough titty.

 

[NAIDANAC A]

A Syder or Roadster is like the Ferrari F430 SPYDER, or a Elfin thingy which you can't call a street because it wasn't made to drive people from place to place. It was made to go onto a track and be taken there once in a few months. While the Viper is made to take you from the track to your house AND back to work.

My point isn't useless and your just being ignorant and not accepting the truth. The ACR is more of a car then the Radical is, the Radical is really a track toy and its more of a P2 prototype then anything else.

The atom cannot be driven everyday, and if it was then you'd have to wear skiing gear for half the year, which isn't very practical nor car like.

And I would be a person that drove a car like an Atom everyday of the year but it would be MY toy because it really isn't a car made to live with. Unlike the Viper which is American Muscle/Sports/Supercar that happens to be insanely fast while actually allowing you to survive in it.

The real comparisons for the track times are the ZR1, Viper, GTR, Turbo. Even then the Viper kinda cheated with its suspension setup for the track.

 

[TC]

Even then the Viper kinda cheated with its suspension setup for the track.

I wouldn't say the Viper cheated. Part of the ACR package is the adjustable coilover suspension. It's a track package, so it makes sense to adjust the adjustable suspension. More expensive cars do the same thing, only it's electric, so the driver only needs to push a button for the car to be in "Race Mode" or whatever.

 

[NAIDANAC A]

I wouldn't say the Viper cheated. Part of the ACR package is the adjustable coilover suspension. It's a track package, so it makes sense to adjust the adjustable suspension. More expensive cars do the same thing, only it's electric, so the driver only needs to push a button for the car to be in "Race Mode" or whatever.

But you can't really say the other cars can do the same, because the viper can change everything and probably had a setup for the Ring specifically on the run while the other cars probably just get harder suspension.

 

[Viper007Bond]

I wouldn't say the Viper cheated. Part of the ACR package is the adjustable coilover suspension. It's a track package, so it makes sense to adjust the adjustable suspension. More expensive cars do the same thing, only it's electric, so the driver only needs to push a button for the car to be in "Race Mode" or whatever.

Bingo, plus it's not the take-off-the-wheel kind of adjustment -- it's just a knob.

But you can't really say the other cars can do the same, because the viper can change everything and probably had a setup for the Ring specifically on the run while the other cars probably just get harder suspension.

So you're penalizing the Viper for having additional features geared towards performance? Should we penalize it for not having an automatic too?

 

[TC]

But you can't really say the other cars can do the same, because the viper can change everything and probably had a setup for the Ring specifically on the run while the other cars probably just get harder suspension.

AFAIK, the record run for the ACR was the 3rd attempt. So there really wasn't much time to fine tune it.

Its a benefit for the ACR. Just like the tires. Some of us Corvette guys could make the argument that the ZR-1 with the ACR's tires would beat it. But GM doesn't offer those tires, so we really can't cry about it.

 

[Meio]

A Syder or Roadster is like the Ferrari F430 SPYDER, or a Elfin thingy which you can't call a street because it wasn't made to drive people from place to place. It was made to go onto a track and be taken there once in a few months. While the Viper is made to take you from the track to your house AND back to work.

My point isn't useless and your just being ignorant and not accepting the truth. The ACR is more of a car then the Radical is, the Radical is really a track toy and its more of a P2 prototype then anything else.

Your point is indeed useless, whether a car is a Roadster, Spyder, Barchetta, Cabriolet, Coupe, Sedan or whatever, they all have at least 3 wheels, a place for the driver to sit and preferably a place for a passenger. Your arbitrary bleating I would in turn describe as ignorant, because if you are to dismiss any car without full weather protection and facilities for your disabled grandma and her wheelchair (or whatever), then you are demonstrating poor knowledge of automotive history.

The atom cannot be driven everyday, and if it was then you'd have to wear skiing gear for half the year, which isn't very practical nor car like.

Practical, no, but entirely car like.

The real comparisons for the track times are the ZR1, Viper, GTR, Turbo. Even then the Viper kinda cheated with its suspension setup for the track.

Now you're off on another tack, but this one actually has something to say. Is it in the spirit of hardcore production car records to allow specialist 'tweaking' of 'settings' for the attempt? If it is then surely I can flash the ECU or adjust the boost on my blower especially for the lap, and then put it back again when I leave so the thing doesn't last only another 50 miles before falling to bits?
Wouldn't the spirit of the record be that if I have to get some tools out or get out of the car to find a hand adjustable control then it's hardly what your private owner would be expected to do? Though I suppose if it includes all the bits that you would buy from the manufacturer, no more or less, then they can tweak as much as they like, it is a maximum performance record after all. The owners of proper hardcore cars might be expected to do a bit of learning and tweaking if they hope to replicate the feat.

 

[NAIDANAC A]

Bingo, plus it's not the take-off-the-wheel kind of adjustment -- it's just a knob.



So you're penalizing the Viper for having additional features geared towards performance? Should we penalize it for not having an automatic too?

I didn't really mean to penalize it, I was just saying it could change for the better on the track as compared to a simple switch that has SPORT written on it. I have nothing against the viper and am happy it took the vettes spot.

 

[BlaRo]

You can pronounce it with a Dutch accent then?



If you have too much fun, people might think you were being racist.

God damn. Sense of humor much?

 

[Homer_Bart]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08nxInpgTGc&eurl=http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080901.003/the-ring-battle-dodge-viper-acr-vs-corvette-zr1-on-video[/YOUTUBE]

Hope this hasn't been posted before!

 

[fbc]

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Hope this hasn't been posted before!

It was given it's own thread in Video Offers, but it's worth being posted here too.

 

[NooDle]

So you're penalizing the Viper for having additional features geared towards performance? Should we penalize it for not having an automatic too?

actually, by fitting a crap manual box, Viper did that themselves

Srsly, I do think the car would be a LOT faster if the lap had been cleaner, the gearchanges smoother, and if it weren't bouncing off the rev limiter all the time

 

[Meio]

God damn. Sense of humor much?

Just saying, be careful how far you go, you don't want to come across as some massive parochial douche.

 

[klankymen]

Your point is indeed useless, whether a car is a Roadster, Spyder, Barchetta, Cabriolet, Coupe, Sedan or whatever, they all have at least 3 wheels, a place for the driver to sit and preferably a place for a passenger. Your arbitrary bleating I would in turn describe as ignorant, because if you are to dismiss any car without full weather protection and facilities for your disabled grandma and her wheelchair (or whatever)

Not only disabled grandma's like to stay dry and warm in the winter, but 99.9% of all drivers.... and there's a name for the rest: motorcyclists.

God damn. Sense of humor much?

yeah, it's a sense of humour when you say it about other people, but whenever the forum rags on china you go apeshit... I'm just saying, you should try not to come over as a hypocrit....

 

[BlaRo]

Just saying, be careful how far you go, you don't want to come across as some massive parochial douche.

Ooh, did I touch a nerve there with your precious Donkervoort? There I go again, I guess. Remember kids, I aim to please.

yeah, it's a sense of humour when you say it about other people, but whenever the forum rags on china you go apeshit... I'm just saying, you should try not to come over as a hypocrit....

Because we all know commenting on the name "Donkervoort" is exactly the same as slandering an entire nation of 1.3 billion people. Sure thing, buddy!

 

[smib]

Silly Chinaman.